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  • shabby - Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - link

    Forward-looking event?
  • Caine Thanatos - Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - link

    Well could be interesting, at least it cannot be worse than Blizzard's Diablo Announcement :)
  • nathanddrews - Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - link

    "We at Intel are SO VERY EXCITED to announce our new EXCLUSIVE MOBILE CPUs!"
  • nevcairiel - Thursday, November 8, 2018 - link

    That really wouldn't be so bad, if they are decent. ;)
  • linuxlowdown - Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - link

    It sure looks very much like a hastily arranged damage control event, probably with lots of PR and stretched truths in an attempt to try to head off EPYC2 and Ryzen3000 sales.
  • iwod - Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - link

    It is not damaged control, it is a note to every server buyer that Intel has something, don't sign and make any promise on EPYC 2 today with AMD.
  • eva02langley - Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - link

    Oh please... this is nothing more than Thunder Stealing, the only thing that Intel is good at right now.
  • imaheadcase - Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - link

    Besides being the #1 in sales and market share?
  • levizx - Saturday, November 10, 2018 - link

    You are confusing "being something" with "being good at something". Intel is #1, with slipping market share and consumer/investor confidence, that's the definition of not good at something.
  • AMD#1 - Tuesday, November 20, 2018 - link

    I agree on that, and then there are those security flaws......
  • AMD#1 - Tuesday, November 20, 2018 - link

    Epyc 2 will outsale Intel in a hartbeat, have the price same performance and lower TDP...
    More secure, great support and better node... Intel 10nm will take a year or 2 longer to be finished. By then AMD is moving to 7nm UEV or 5nm UEV
  • UkeNeverSeme - Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - link

    I'm pretty sure that's the exact definition of damage control? Desperately trying to stop an increasing amount of customers from going to the competition and instead await your own next launch seems like a textbook case of damage control?
  • AMD#1 - Tuesday, November 20, 2018 - link

    It is, Intel sees that AMD is taking over in all important markets. Epyc 2 prommices to be a great overall server/HPC CPU, for a fraction of Intel's prices. And that also means Intel will loose marketshare in the very near future to Ryzen 2 7nm 3000 series, they will whipe the floor with ANY Intel CPU on the consumer market.
  • LMonty - Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - link

    The word "Architecture" is exciting. Intel hasn't fundamentally changed the Skylake architecture for years now. Surprise us, please.
  • eva02langley - Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - link

    Glue EVERYWHERE!
  • peevee - Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - link

    Intel has not fundamentally changed Von Neumann architecture of 1940s, and the set of major workarounds for its obvious deficiencies for modern technologies has not been added to since Pentium Pro.
  • voicequal - Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - link

    Intel did try an update with Itanium, but fast cheap AMD x64 spoiled that.
  • peevee - Thursday, November 8, 2018 - link

    Itanic was just as Von Neumann as x86, ARM etc.
  • name99 - Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - link

    As others have already pointed out, if Intel were capable of actually ARCHITECTING something new, we'd be seeing Cascade-AP using EMIB...

    Expect more announcements similar to EMIB or the 2015 Optane hype: "we have TOTALLY COOL stuff coming for 2021, just you wait and see, it will be so so awesome. What's that? Will any of it appear in products before 2021? Well, that's an interesting question and you see <waffle waffle waffle> so, in summary, yeah, 2021 will be just incredible".
  • Gunbuster - Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - link

    Maybe they should go all in on FPGA so they can reprogram around the monthly side channel exploits :P
  • vladpetric - Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - link

    You're using the :-P sign, but I'm sure that they already have patents and plans to do something along these lines.

    It won't be "FPGA all in" because it's super low frequency (you don't even get a single GHz), but rather FPGA blocks around fully custom ASIC components.
  • eva02langley - Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - link

    On this day... at this time... they announcing this...

    :facepalm:
  • peevee - Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - link

    "One of the most frequent requests we have put to Intel over the recent months is for a return to an Intel that offers more information. In previous years, Intel would dive deep into its product portfolio and its architecture designs in order to showcase its engineering talent and prowess. This often happened at the awesome annual Intel Developer Forum, a yearly event held in the heart of San Francisco, but since it was disbanded a couple of years ago, the level of detail in each subsequent launch has been agonizingly minimal."

    Because they have nothing to show. Adding even more specialized instructions (see the AVX-512 hell) only makes CPU even more bloated/less efficient for 99.99% of tasks which are not going to use the instructions.

    They need to switch to a completely different computer architecture specifically designed for the technological realities of today (something like my SIMCA) and finally retire Von Neumann's arch designed for tube computers of 1940s.
  • imaheadcase - Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - link

    If it works, why change it. Most technology today is based on old technology because it works. More often than not you hear how older technology out last modern stuff in certain fields.
  • peevee - Thursday, November 8, 2018 - link

    The thing is it does not. When Intel, AMD, ARM etc cite very high MIPS etc, that is NOT what you get in real applications, nowadays by the factor of 10-100. And even on these fake metrics, they are essentially stuck for years.
    And of course nothing they did works in mobile, which is way bigger market than PCs. Like PCs vs mainframes in the 80s and 90s, if you've seen it, you'd have deja vu just like I do. Simply because ARM64 is slightly less awful (but still the same inefficient basic architecture, only low memory requirements and PoP saves their a$$es for now - and 20 different-arch coprocessors on a single chip which do all the ACTUAL work).
  • eastcoast_pete - Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - link

    Let's hope this is not about the architecture of the new building on Intel's campus (:

    Seriously, though, Intel needs to get a move on if they want to stay ahead: in addition to the obvious threat (AMD Zen architecture), there is also the increasing likelihood that Apple may play trendsetter once again and start using its own, non-Intel chips. I found the statement at the iPad pro/A12x launch about the A12x performing better than over 90% of all current laptop processors quite ominous. Up to now, most criticisms of Intel have focused on their failure to move their main lines to 10 nm (one small series doesn't count, apparently, yields are atrociously low). However, the lack of progress in their micro-arch over the last years is even more worrying. Maybe they surprise us?
  • HStewart - Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - link

    My guess is they will discuss up and coming change in architecture of systems to meet the changes base on completion. I would agree Cascade Lake but I would also something to deal with process changes along with security fix for Spectre/Meltdown. Both of this Intel has been harm with bad press and I believe it would be desirable by Intel team to give confidence that they are on track in make changes to eliminate any concerns.

    But of course we are just users and have no idea of what Intel coming out - it could be something completely new.
  • visualzero - Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - link

    Listed below are the numerous architectural and process innovations Intel has released during the past years:

    2015: Skylake, 14 nm
    2016: Skylake, 14 nm
    2017: Skylake, 14 nm
    2018: Skylake, 14 nm

    In the GPU side it's looking even more sad. So I wonder what we have in store for 2019? Few simple ISA extensions to Skylake arch would be my guess, and yes, with 14 nm.
  • HStewart - Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - link

    It funny how people confuse architecture vs node - they are not the same. Actually the latest 14nm has slight improvement in Node. Lets just leave it at - by stating Skylake for all versions of architectures show ignorance of the design. Which almost as bad as my nm is smaller than yours.
  • name99 - Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - link

    It's funny how some people have ZERO clue of what micro-architecture actually means, but still consider themselves experts...

    OK, tell us the SIGNIFICANT changes to micro-architecture between Skylake 2015 and * Lake 2018. Hint: a few new instructions, better implementations of microcode, higher frequencies, all do NOT count as significant changes to micro-architecture.
  • HStewart - Thursday, November 8, 2018 - link

    I would count better implements of micro code , more cores and such changes in micro-architecture. Including hardware fixes for all those security issues

    But there are tons of changes - just for desktop CPU alone all I know is that 8th generation cpu significant faster than my other Y50 cpu.
  • HStewart - Thursday, November 8, 2018 - link

    https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors...
  • Chaser - Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - link

    So very nice to have competition again. Thanks to AMD and Zen, 6+ core CPUs are now mainstream rather than INTELs ridiculously priced HEDT CPUs that were obviously revenue fleecing tools.
  • Der Keyser - Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - link

    The more interesting question is: Will Intel - again - have to copycat AMD’s design idea’s and go modular on their architecture? Obviously the Scalable Processor “monolithic” die concept cannot continue to compete with AMD in terms of core count and scalability. Intel still have a slightly better core IPC and frequency scaling, but what will ZEN2 on 7nm do to change this?
  • Der Keyser - Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - link

    Then again - you might argue AMD copied INTEL on this one. This is exactly like the old Xrossbar-switch design in the 4 way pentium PRO days - only difference is Each CPU and the crossbar switch now each is a small die on the same Socket :-)
  • voicequal - Tuesday, November 6, 2018 - link

    The crossbar has conceptually been around for decades. The point is AMD being bold enough to bring it into a high end CPU package. Not a sure bet because it does add latency compared with a monolithic die, but AMD aims to prove it will deliver the greatest perf/$.
  • HStewart - Thursday, November 8, 2018 - link

    "Obviously the Scalable Processor “monolithic” die concept cannot continue to compete with AMD in terms of core count and scalability."

    I guess you have not heard of Intel / Microsoft server machine with 900+ cores. Not sure if use 48 dual cpu or lower count -each pluggable card is swappable for reliability.

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