iBUYPOWER: 4.0GHz QX9650 and 3-way SLI 8800 Ultras
by Matt Campbell on April 10, 2008 9:00 AM EST- Posted in
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Problems
Every system has a few issues, right? Optimally, the out-of-box experience should be as exciting and worry-free as possible for the consumer - unpack, plug it in, and you are good to go. Unfortunately, that is often not the case, and this system had its fair share of problems.
First, due to the size and weight of this configuration, the video cards shifted in transit and required reseating before the system would boot. This is understandable, but is not an experience a first time buyer would enjoy or could easily troubleshoot. A foam insert to support heavier components, as Überclok did with the Tuniq tower, might make sense.
Next, once booted up the system was bloated with processes (50), had auto-updates enabled and automatically downloading, and was entirely lacking an antivirus solution. While not strictly a "problem", this is certainly something we expect OEMs to address, particularly for high-end gaming rigs.
Within minutes of using the system, small glitches began to rear their head.
This one cropped up while initiating a file download. A few minutes later while rebooting, the system failed to recognize the drive array on startup. It succeeded on the next attempt, but failed an additional time during the review period. The striped drives would audibly thrash from time to time (remember, antivirus is not installed and Windows Defender was not scanning during these periods). NVIDIA System Monitor crashed several times. Crysis would crash periodically, requiring the use of Ctrl-Alt-Del to kill it. World in Conflict crashed due to a driver problem.
This happened again two other times. Even when the games did run, they experienced an odd "pausing" or "hitching" at certain points, where the action would completely stop for a period as long as 2 seconds. This happened in both Crysis and World of Conflict but is not reflected in the frame rate numbers, which may indicate it is a problem with the video cards rendering to the monitor. (We have seen this behavior on other test systems at times, possibly related to NVIDIA drivers and SLI rendering.) The crowning glory was a blue screen of death from an "uncorrectable hardware error" that upon reboot Windows indicated was related to the CPU.
Note that most of the video problems above happened while in Tri-SLI mode. We ran the system for some time with a single 8800 Ultra, including a run through the entire Witcher demo, without the crashing or "hitching" issues. The overclock likely also contributed to periodic instability. Bottom line: This is complex system, and despite some special attention from the OEM it did have more than its fair share of problems.
Pricing
To get a broad picture of iBUYPOWER, let's examine both the entry-level Paladin 515-SLI and a system analogous to the high-end review configuration.
With a 3-year warranty and after shipping, the 515-SLI base configuration total came to $994. The exact same configuration at Newegg was $878 shipped, without Vista Home Premium (but before $70 in mail-in rebates). This is a very small premium to pay for a pre-assembled system with a warranty.
Does the same premium hold true for the higher-end systems? Well, the 8800 Ultras are not offered on most websites now, so we got as close to our review configuration as we could. Our hardware configuration lists for $4,587 with 8800 GTXs, before shipping, at iBUYPOWER's website. (The Corsair Dominator RAM upgrade stood out as being at odds with current pricing; it's a $150 premium over 2GB of DDR2-800.) Note that "professional wiring" is $19 extra. The same configuration at Newegg, again without Vista, tallies up to $4,035.85. This is almost exactly the same price premium as the entry-level systems, around that 13% mark. The question for the buyer is whether that's still a good value at this price point ($550 vs. $115).
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m2super - Thursday, April 10, 2008 - link
I bet if you pull 2gb of ram from the system with all the cards in you wont get this error message!Do a google search of this annoying issue quite a few people with vista 64, 4gb of ram and an sli config. The fact nvidia/ms havent done anything to resolve it is bs imo.
kuraegomon - Thursday, April 10, 2008 - link
I run SLI-ed GTX's, with RAID and overclocked Q6600. The only reason for a setup like this is to game at 1920x1200 or above. I have a 30' monitor, and like to game at 2560x1600 whenever possible. I believe that triple-SLI only makes sense with 2560x1600 resolutions, and you'll need the extra GPU-to-GPU bandwidth/lower latency that the 790i will provide, to really examine this. Sorry to say for anyone who bought one, but the 780i is already obsolete. (Of course, my 680i Striker Extreme is even moreso).Matt Campbell - Thursday, April 10, 2008 - link
Higher resolutions are in the queue for our next high end rig.Maffer - Thursday, April 10, 2008 - link
You just run into very annoying problem which has been with 780i quite quite a long time now. Please see this thread:http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=256404&mpa...">http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=256404&mpa...
You can find lots of people with the same problems right there. Nvidia is doing nothing to solve this crap. Some folks have switched to 790i system and problems vanished. This cannot be the solution though. Please Anandtech, if you have any powers to do something about this...at least poke nVidia around with a large trout or something :/
67STANG - Thursday, April 10, 2008 - link
I think people that build these "uber" machines forget their target audience: "the enthusiast". What enthusiast buys a machine like this rather than building it themself?I don't know about anyone else, but part of the fun of a high end computer is building it (at least for me). I wouldn't want to spend $5k+ on a system that I probably could have built myself for much less...
Granted it gets very high scores on benchmarks, but it would be hard not to with what is in it... I believe something could be built that could beat this for hundreds less. Pass.
abhaxus - Sunday, April 13, 2008 - link
There are most definitely people out there that buy the fastest computer available but have no clue how they are built.To use a car analogy... you are arguing that everyone who buys an Impreza WRX is stupid because you could buy the RS and put a turbo on it and go just as fast. The WRX is pre-tuned, has a warranty, and has a badge that says it's fast. These are the same people that buy a Dell XPS or Alienware rig.
To a semi-knowledgeable but not guru-level person, saying "i have an alienware pc" is a lot easier than "I have an overclocked 3.2ghz quad core pc with 2 8800GTS's in SLI"
Noya - Thursday, April 10, 2008 - link
Exactly...you don't buy a review article on a hardware tech site.HOOfan 1 - Thursday, April 10, 2008 - link
If these are the problems that are going to crop up and you will have to troubleshoot them yourself (which seems the case from reading the reviews on resellerrating.com) then you may as well just build it yourself and save even more money.